PRT255 – A Solid 70

This week we’re talking about developing your style…

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  • StudioWendy

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    Quick word on LastPass. They were hacked recently. If you use LastPass, you will need to change your master password and probably your password reminder questions and answers.

  • Noell, I just wanted to say how much you inspired me today with your final quote. I wrote it out to post in my scrapbooking facebook group and it’s already stopped me from abandoning a layout because it wasn’t feeling good enough. It was when you said,

    “I’m a firm believer that just being who you are, just doing what you want to do, feel inspired to do and get excited about and what you’re naturally good at is the best way to make a positive effect in the world. Just do what you want to do – I don’t mean like, be selfish and greedy – but you know what I’m saying. Excel where you can best excel and then your purpose will just naturally… your positive results will be positive and that’s all you need.”

    There’s such wisdom there both for scrapping and for life.

    Thank you and love the show xxx

  • annamari

    Wonder if Karen is trying to prove her own point about women being more dismissive by dismissing women as being “dismissive of other women”.

    In my experience, the women of my acquaintance/profession (I’m also in STEM field like Karen) are definitely NOT more dismissive of other women than are the men of my profession.

    Karen asks “why does it matter if they (whoever they are) dismiss women” – because, as has been stated numerous times, that very dismissiveness, in the past, has accounted for women’s stories being absent from most of history up until about 50 years ago or so. Before that, publishers, who were men, wanted to publish stories written by men about men, doing thing valued by men. That’s what it mattered/matters.

  • Karen

    I knew after I said all those words that I was going to wish I could take them back because the gender topic is so much more layered and complicated and worthy of conversation than I could put into a 5 minute comment and I should have never tried to do so. For that, I apologize. And you’re so right in that it was dismissive to do it in this manner :)

    At work, I am certainly not dismissed by women more, but in my hobbies, I am. That might be unique to me, of course. Having said that, I still do believe that when we’re doing a hobby, we should not worry too much about what the others (on either gender) think of our hobby. I think there are plenty of “male centric” hobbies that also get dismissed and/or made fun of. Imho. My point about why it matters if they dismiss women was specific to scrapbooking. Hobbies are something we do because they bring us joy, so I feel like as long as it brings me joy, I am not too worried about what others think of it. But I am also completely willing to admit that these are my unique feelings and not generalizable.

    I apologize if I offended you, it was never my intent.

  • annamari

    Thank you, Karen. That is good of you to apologize as I did feel like you were attacking me by saying that women are more dismissive than men.

    And you’re right, it’s an enormous topic w/millennia of baggage along w/it. However, if we speak and listen to each other, I think most of us want to improve the lives of all of us – men and women and kids. And some of that improvement comes when we recognize all of us, and that all of us have value and stories and visible contributions to make.

  • Amy Muse

    Like this thread, well, kinda. Generalizations always get people in trouble in conversation. When we, as women, are not generalizing our gender, we women will be free.

  • I took the comment, not as an attack (as I’m a woman), but as an observation she has made of a number of women, which she felt is higher than the number of men she sees dismissing women. I could tell that she didn’t mean that we all do that. I do think it’s interesting how you both don’t feel that way about women in your STEM field (yay!). I’m curious, Annamari — have you felt much dismissiveness by men in your field? My good friend is an engineer and she’s had to battle that by many a lot of the men in her field.

  • I’ve thought a lot about generalizations over the past several years, and whether or not we should use them. My personal conclusion is that there are times when generalizations are harmful, and times when they’re the best way to communicate something and we need to use them sometimes. So I always try to make sure that I qualify them with terms and phrases like, “tend to,” or “many,” or “a large percentage,” etc.

    It’s easier to think your words through and communicate well when you’re writing, but when you’re having a conversation you’re actually formulating your thoughts WHILE you’re communicating, literally in the same moment, so it’s very hard to express the entire picture of what you mean to say. It’s hard enough to do that when writing when you can think it through first and then edit it. You can’t do that at all when having a conversation. Plus, it’s natural to assume that people will understand where you’re coming from and that you’re not anti-women, for example.

    So Izzy and I always hope and expect the audience will consider the entire package of who we and our guests are and re-evaluate what they think we might have meant before taking offense if our words come out sounding insensitive, dismissive, prejudiced, or offensive, etc. The show would not be a success if we and all of our guests were afraid to speak out of fear something might come out wrong.

    For example, Karen, specifically, is an intelligent, strong, caring woman, so when she says she’s found women to be more dismissive than men, I know that what she’s really saying is that in her experience, she has observed larger numbers of women dismissing women than she has of men dismissing women. I don’t at all wonder if she’s attacking women by saying we’re all dismissive of each other.

    My parents always told me that communication is one of the hardest things to get right. So I try to be understanding and discern what someone really means. :)

  • Thanks for reading my comment on the mail section of the podcast. When you read it, I realized it was super confusing. I’m sorry I wasn’t clearer. I’ll try to clarify here.

    Ms. Hunt’s dissertation was about how scrapbooks haven’t been utilized much by scholars–past and present–in understanding culture and society and she makes a compelling argument about the value of scrapbooks and how they can add a depth and weight to work historians and scholars are doing to understand a period of time better.

    My argument was that I think scrapbooks have been/and are still sometimes being dismissed by scholars and historians because scrapbooks are frequently made by women. Over the centuries, the contributions of women to their families, society, and culture, have been dismissed by historians. Unfortunately, that still happens today. And it even happens among women as scrapbookers, because we (scrapbookers) often don’t see our work as contributing to the greater good or collective.

    I think some women understand how meaningful and powerful their work is–whatever it may be (and Karen Grunberg is a great example of that), but there are also lots of moms who feel embarrassed or inadequate to tell their stories because they think the stereotypical story of a SAHM (or whatever their story may be) isn’t interesting or meaningful to a greater cultural story. Because they don’t feel their stories are important–they are dismissive of scrapbooking as contributing to a great historical story.

    I loved Karen’s comment that it doesn’t matter if others dismiss our works–as long as we understand the power and meaning of it for ourselves. I agree with her–but I also love the idea of historians being clued into the treasure trove that scrapbooks are and how they contribute to a better understand of the past and present. Because THAT will impact generations. It will make a difference for our kids, grandkids, etc.

  • Thanks for your comment. After listening to you, I realized how confusing my original post was that was read on the show. I’ve clarified her on this thread and hopefully it will make sense as to what I was saying. If not–well then, I need to do a better job of editing and writing!

    I loved your comments, Karen, and how they made me think. I’m a big fan of the work you do and who you are.

  • In my experience with STEM, there’s more discrimination between the specific disciplines than between men and women.

  • You have such a great point. I scrap a lot about myself and my own experiences and though I don’t worry about sharing online, I still feel embarrassed about pulling out an All About Me album vs a more socially acceptable baby’s first year book, or even the albums about our pre-kids home renovations (we did up two houses).

  • I should actually comment on the content of the podcast. I was really inspired by this. I really started scrapbooking in earnest while living in Sweden. I couldn’t afford to purchase the magazines, and I didn’t enjoy looking at online content, so I had very little exposure to trends and what was happening in the scrapbook world. I was just taking my pictures and documenting our stories. I went a little crazy when I returned to the U.S. buying magazines and products. I wasn’t more productive with all of that. In fact, for awhile I was so self-conscious about my work that I didn’t share it with others. Lately, I’ve realized that even if other scrapbookers don’t think my work is great, I’m proud of it, because creating makes me happy, and I’m telling important stories about my life and family.

    I also like the idea of trying out things and playing, but there are times when I know that I am not going to enjoy a trend. I just let it go and don’t worry about it.

  • Great Podcast this week! I listened to it twice already. Julie Fei-Fan Balzer was such a good contributor. Love her statement ” I don’t think your style should become handcuffs.” I see fun new things all the time and now I try them. It wasn’t always that way for me. People evolve and your pages should too. Do what makes YOU happy. Please have Julie on the podcast again soon!

  • Tori Bissell

    Okay re the comment about youtube videos: (and this is said in no way to demising the awesomeness of Paper clipping videos and also from a biased youtube video maker) if you are watching youtube videos that don’t inspire you or which make you feel like you’re wasting your time – YOU ARE WATCHING THE WRONG ONES. Yes….some youtube videos feel like a waste of time, and yes some of them aren’t necessarily inspiring (those are the ones you shouldn’t watch) – BUT there are some fantastic youtubers who are seriously inspiring, and creative and make me want to scrapbook. Every time I watch Wilna I want to grab some supplies and make something. And Missy makes me feel like I actually can do mixed media. And when people watch my videos and then send me a photo of a layout they’ve been inspired to do it makes my whole heart fill with happiness. So I guess all of that was to say don’t completely give up on youtuber scrapbookers…there are some real diamonds out there!

  • Tori Bissell

    When I first started scrapbooking I thought it was so important to find “my style” to figure out what was “me”. But now I’ve realized that I want to just scrapbook because it

  • Tori Bissell

    Whoops sent to quickly. I was trying to say…

    When I first started scrapbooking I thought it was so important to find “my style” to figure out what was “me”. But now I’ve realized that I want to just scrapbook because it I love scrapbooking.

    Sometimes I think people feel like their style has to be a fixed thing or that it has to be one thing like “clean” or “graphic” but style is so much more than that. It can be that you like playing with colours, or you like using multiple photos, or you love patterned paper, or repetition or embellishment clusters or big titles or big photos or vintage or modern. Style can be whatever you want it to be. “your style” is whatever makes it you. Whatever makes that page feel like it came from you, like you created it. Look at 5-15 of your favourite or most liked (by you) layouts and try to figure out what they have in common. What is it specifically that you like about them. When you’ve figured that out – well that’s your style. And the most important thing to remember – it can change. Style should be free flowing, creative juices.

  • Moira OReilly

    Hi. I am so very disappointed that you used the comment you did, at the 27.40 mark to promote your paid membership. I do not make You Tube videos but so many of my scrappy friends from around the world do… they put a lot of time and effort into sharing their creations! They do so not to be a competition to anything that is already out there ( I still take online classes on a regular basis); they do not purport to be “classes” or tutorials but they freely share, want to be part of a community to share their passion and have been staunch supporters of the paperclipping rountable and website in the past. I would like to think that this was an unfortunate error on your part since I have enjoyed many episodes in the past (a paid membership is not something that meets a need I have but applaud you for doing it for those that it does meet a need). However, until I do have a confirmation that this was in fact an unfortunate error on your part, I will no longer listen the paperclipping rountable, or frequent you site. Moira

  • Hi, Moira. I’m sorry for your disappointment. We often hear from our members regarding how much they like the videos and we share those emails during the sponsor section, since it means so much more when someone who paid for the membership shares why they like it, than if we ourselves say that we think people might like it.The member whose email Izzy read was simply trying to communicate why she feels the membership is worth paying for, even though there are so many free videos out there. It was not to criticize YouTube video makers, but to explain the differences and why it’s worth it to pay for the membership.
    Personally, I’m a huge fan of Wilna Ferstenberg’s and Jen McGuire’s YouTube videos.

  • Betty

    I have been a fan of the roundtable for a long time and I also pay for a membership. I also have a scrapbooking Youtube channel and subscribe to many other Youtube channels. I really do enjoy it all. I do feel, however, that the email that was read could be offensive to people who put a lot of time into making Youtube videos. I think that you guys do a great job at making high quality videos that you absolutely can feel more then justified charing a membership fee for. I also feel that there are many Youtube channels that are just as high in quality and offer the same level of knowledge for free (Jen McGuire is a great example) If your membership is that great (and I believe that it is) I would have to think that you had more then one e-mail to pick from and maybe picking one that criticizes other scrapbookers creative work wasn’t the best choice. (even if the e-mailers opinion isn’t your own) Even in your response to Moira you defend the e-mailer by saying she is just explaining the difference btwn your paid membership and free Youtube videos and why it’s worth it to pay?? I think we can all agree you can find a pretty good handful of Youtubers that can compete with the paperclipping membership. but I don’t think that is the point. I pay for my membership because I want to support the roundtable. I enjoy watching your videos as well, but not any more then some of my favorite youtubers. I think that is what is so great about this community that we are all apart of. I am disappointed that someone in this industry would read an e-mail that is basically putting down a lot of the people that are listening to you read that e-mail?? My guess is that you had other fan mail that got the same point across, but did it in a much more positive way… so why not read one of those?? Still love you guys… still going to listen to the round table… and still going to keep my membership.. but you guys really did make a poor choice and probably ticked off a lot of Youtube fans.

  • Betty

    and lets be real… she was “criticizing YouTube video makers” She said that watching the video was a waste of her time???

  • Hmm… I think she was specifically talking about the few YouTube videos she watched. Clearly there are great YouTube channels out there. We sometimes have their hosts on our show, so we’re very aware of them. We love them and we definitely don’t think poorly of their work.

    One of the reasons we chose to read that email was because it directly addressed one of the challenges we face: Some people wonder why they would pay for a Paperclipping Membership when there are YouTube channels out there that are free to watch. That email directly addressed the question, so we read it.

    While we appreciate your membership, our true goal is to have people be members because they want the value the membership offers — not just to support the Roundtable.

    We want to create an inspiring, entertaining, educational scrapbooking video series with a high production quality. We’re doing our best to do that. We’ve been trying to do that for many years.

    I can definitely see your point. Hopefully you can see ours.

    At any rate, we’ll be careful about reading feedback that criticizes other content in the future. We’ll choose the mail we read more selectively.

  • Betty

    I totally love what you guys do.. I really do love listening to the roundtable a lot.. I also enjoy your videos and think they are absolutely worth the price I pay for them. I look forward to watching them every month. I don’t just pay for the membership to support the roundtable, but it is part of why I pay for the membership. I was just saying that I am not going anywhere… and yes I can definitely see your point. I just know from a discussion on a Facebook group I am apart of that the e-mail that was read was not appreciated?? and I see that point as well?? you win some, you lose some right?? luckily for you guys you win leaps and bounds more then you lose..

  • Thanks so much for your continued support, Betty!

  • We do understand what you’re saying. :)

  • Thanks so much! I appreciate hearing this. :)

  • Maggie Hall

    Wow guys. Poor choice of comment to promote your business.
    I am a faithful YouTube viewer and I’ve recently started contributing content of my own. Do I learn something every time I watch a video? Heck no. Then again, I don’t expect to. I watch them for the same reason I read blogs and view galleries – for inspiration. It’s awesome to see someone’s process – to see how they think. To see them make mistakes and discover new techniques.
    I’m sorry that viewer felt her time was wasted. There’s a lot of great inspiration out there and it’s just that – inspiration.
    I can’t tell you how’s many times I’ve heard people mention Paperclipping in their YouTube videos. Heck, even a good portion of your guests have YouTube channels! Tracy Banks, Katie Scott, Wilna Furstenburg just to name a few. Even Shimelle!
    While I don’t doubt the content of Paperclipping is great and educational, choosing a comment that belittles and discredits a good portion of your audience was truly a poor choice.

  • Hi, Maggie. We do have many regular guests on the show who make fantastic videos. Please listen to the next episode after this one for our apology regarding the sponsor message in this episode. Thanks.

  • I thought there were so many mindful quotes coming out of this episode from all the panelists. As a mindfulness practitioner and scrapbooker, the idea of accepting your feelings as they come in the moment but not becoming too attached to any one feeling, can certainly help while making a layout. Since I started practicing earlier this year I have been able to make layouts much more quickly as I’m no longer overanalyzing every decision.

    At the beginning of the year one of my big goals was to be a prolific scrapbooker this year to “find my style”. I then found this quote that really resonated and solidified my need to just make more layouts , “Don’t waste time looking for your style. The truth is you already have it. You may just need to create more in order to see it.” I think Julie mentioned this same idea.

    Lastly, my husband is a Network Security Engineer. We use and recommend Keeper as a password manager.

    I’ll be sharing this episode in my weekly Take a Moment roundup. =)

  • TracieClaiborne

    This show is one of the best you’ve ever done!! You are on a roll! I have to say, my favorite quote was when Karen said, “I’ll tinker with it until I’m traumatized.” because I’m the same way!! I just wanted to hug Julie several times for her brilliance. This was an awesome show. Loved Peppermint and your thoughts too, Noell, as always! :)

  • Jennifer G.

    I love that Karen says what she thinks and feels, but also says that it is how she lives and it works for her. She doesn’t ask for others to agree with her, she just is who she is and that person is constantly changing what works and doesn’t work for her. More women could certainly learn from her, including me. Thank you for your honesty and openess Karen! I always love listening to her talk.

  • I love her for the same reasons!!

  • Jennifer G.

    I just wanted to mention how much I love that my husband supports my hobby. Our entire family was playing volleyball on the 4th of July and in between serves I quickly pulled out my iphone and snapped a picture of each side of the net. A family guest seemed a little surprised that I wanted to take a photo in the middle of a game. My husband spoke up and said, “She is our family historian” and play continued. He is seriously amazing!

  • SparrowApril

    I wanted to comment on the discussion about personal style. Knowing your why, what you want to be the result when you sit down to scrapbook may help. If you want every page to be a reflection of yourself or you may choose to explore new techniques & push your boundaries. If you want a little of both, perhaps don’t experiment with “important” layouts. Or have an album that is “you”were there is a more unified feel and keep another album for your experiments. Or keep a journal or smashbook where you audition & try new techniques.

  • SparrowApril

    Well I didn’t realize that I had stopped listening to this episode before it was ended. Now that I’m listening to the rest of the episode I hear that most of what I was thinking ended up being said by the panelists during the discussion. (I listen to the Round Table one kitchen cleaning session at a time).

  • Oh and thanks for picking Periscope Izzy! I’ve been doing a few scopes myself and really enjoying watching when I can. (A lot of people are on there while I’m sleeping so at least I’m not wasting all my time watching! HA!)

    PS who else is on there? I’m digiscraphq – would love to follow some fellow scrappers!