PRT180 – Meditative Exacto Knives

This week we’re talking about choosing the stories we scrapbook!

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  • Juleann

    About the multiple children, I think the name was Dionne. They lived in Quebec and they were hugely famous.

  • jenniferswilson

    Thank you! In looking them up, the quintuplets were born in 1934. My grandmother was born in 1924 so she would have been 10 when they were born and into her teens as the media so closely followed their childhood. I don’t remember if there was any journaling in the album that might shed light on her interest or feelings about them. I’ll have to ask my Dad if he remembers anything. Definitely a story I want to scrap!

  • SarahGrass

    The Dionne Quintuplets have a very interesting/ sad story if you read into them. When I was recently looking through my grandmothers collected photos and newspaper clippings I found a post card of them so she must have been intrigued by them like your grandmother was. I think they are quite analoguous to today’s reality tv children in what happened with them and the public interest they garnered, and the Canadian government recently made a public apology to the remaining sisters for what happened to them.

  • SarahGrass

    So, I haven’t finished listening to the entire episode yet (I will though!), but I wanted to quickly say that I feel like my comment that was read in the episode makes me sound like a complete ludite hater and that isn’t what I intended at all. I don’t actually do intricate cut-outs with an exacto knife. The things that I make myself I make in MS Word, like printable embellishments and journaling cards, or I make decorative elements sometimes by drawing or cutting out larger images from a patterned paper to use as an embellishment. Nothing crazy. I have very little money that I want to devote to crafting at the moment and I know other people are probably in the same boat. I have found that some areas of the SB community are very consumption-oriented and I worry that some people will feel like they can’t participate if they don’t have a lot to spend.

    I know the panelists talked a lot about die-cutting machines, but I think the trend I’ve noticed as been more towards the completely pre-fab elements… so not even die-cutting a heartm, but just buying a pack of pre-cut hearts?

    Blah blah blah, too many words! I’ll end on this, I think PRT is actually really good at focusing on that memories and stories are to the fore and everything else is just dressing. I feel like Noell is good at being inclusive to those who don’t have as much to spend, which is why I love the show!

  • Sounds like you know something. What happened to them?

  • I wonder if one reason there is a move towards premade items is to get the ‘non-creative’ people into scrapbooking.

    A lot of people brand themselves as not creative and even when we made Christmas cards with pre-cut everything the ladies at our mums group
    a) didn’t even want to come near the table I was at
    b) were scared to use glue runner (or any glue)
    c) said to me they hadn’t made anything since school

    I think that if scrapbooking wants to grow to the mass market they need to make things that people can use and feel like their pages look good when they use them.

    Otherwise, the customers won’t come back for more. It’s also why technique based products need LOTS of education around them. I can’t tell you how many years I had a Walnut stain ink pad before I realised it wasn’t just normal brown ink!!

    :) Melissa

  • Karen

    ” I have found that some areas of the SB community are very consumption-oriented and I worry that some people will feel like they can’t participate if they don’t have a lot to spend.” I totally agree with that Sarah. I also think that sometimes it’s even worse in that you have to have the latest and greatest. Not just a lot of stuff but to keep regularly buying the new stuff so you can be in the “game.” But I think this is true for many industries/hobbies that are thriving. It’s one of those cases when you have to take a step back and connect with why you’re doing this and what matters to you and let the rest go. Also maybe some people really don’t have time to make their own hearts and have the money to purchase them. There’s no right or wrong here in my opinion. Everyone has her own perspective and reasons for doing what they do. There are many people who buy and don’t scrap and many who don’t buy and scrap a lot and everything in between. As long as you’re in line with your own values, I think the industry is big enough that you’ll find your people. Just my 2cents.

  • Linsey

    I think one big reason for the shift from ‘DIY’ items to ‘pre-fab’ products also has to do with how we get our scrapbooking inspiration. Years ago, magazines were the big ‘go-to’ for ideas. Magazines enticed you to pick up their issue by having articles like how to make your own embellishments or how to get the most out of a certain tool. There was a lot of new product info in the magazines, but the focus was the articles.

    Now, most scrapbooking inspiration comes from the internet. Websites like Two Peas don’t make money by releasing a free inspiration video. They make money by selling you product. They may show you how to create a layout and make a visual triangle with your embellishments, but they need to have a focus on the products. Their goal is to show you a product and make you say ‘Wow! That looks awesome! I want to buy that!’ If they do a feature about getting the most out of a tool, the goal has to be to sell that tool. That is the only way they stay in business.

  • LisaDV

    If you frequenting on-line galleries, I feel that many of the layouts are DT’s or trying to be DT’s – manufacturer’s or kit clubs. They are in the business to sell product and you’ll find a LOT of products on their pages. As Karen said, you have to know why you are doing it and what matters. I have made a concerted effort to make more meaningful pages in the last year. I love layers and texture so I’ll always have more “stuff” on my pages, now I’m trying to be better at really choosing things to support my story, which generally means I have less than before. I also think that there is a subtle shift in the general (non-DT) scrapbook population to not be so consumption oriented – partly as the pendulum swings and partly economic issues. I think that many people who don’t have the money to purchase the latest and greatest don’t post their layouts, they’ve given up the forums altogether, or scrapbooking in general. Even at the craft stores, it seems the scrapbooking sections have been shrinking in the past few years.

  • ldmccarty

    Holy cow, I loved this episode! I could listen to people talk philosophy of what to scrap for hours. Seriously! It’s such an interesting hobby because it is SO many things to different people – I think Karen said “some are story folks and some are picture folks”, and some are in between. But how we pick what to put down in an album is really fun to think about and listen to.

    I know I, like a lot of scrappers, just used to print photos and go. But now, I do think more about what to put down and why. Partly because, as you’ve discussed in episodes before (one w/Karen and Lisa Dickinson, I think) there is not an unlimited amount of space for albums and if we do this hobby for 10 or 20 years, it takes space! So, now, I’m being more deliberate and going back and reassessing albums and just carrying around the idea that it’s fun but it’s also almost like a memoir. That helps me pick and choose what to scrap.

    And like another episode, the one where the guest had lost 8 years of memory, I like to keep in mind what I’d really want to know if I ever couldn’t remember. Or, more likely, what I’d like to relive when I’m sitting in the nursing home, many years from now, happily remembering what my life has meant to me.

  • Gwynn Asbury

    I loved this episode! The best part of it was when Jennifer (or Karen?) talked about splitting a 12×12 into a 6×12 OMG the flood gates of inspiration burst! I have been bursting with ideas for how to adapt this to not just the 6×12 but maybe even an 8.5×11 album. I began to wonder how common it is for individuals to scrapbook on non-12×12 and would love to hear a discussion about non-common scrapbook sizes.

  • Karen

    Yey so glad the 6×12 idea inspired you!! I’ve been having a lot of fun playing with it! :)

  • Melinda

    I have been listening to your podcast for awhile now and really enjoy it. I always take away something to apply to my own scrap booking. I do want to say however this is the second week in a row that the main conversation veered toward telling the story more than the pictures themselves. I think that is great. That is the main part of memory keeping. However your guests these last episodes have children at home so it is easy to take a picture of a child and then tell a story surrounding the picture. What if you children are in their 20’s like mine are? They are either away at school or starting their own life and you only see them once or twice a year? The majority of my pictures of my boys are ones they text me or I get from their FB. I don’t know the story behind the picture and quite frankly might not want to know (LOL). However I want updated pictures of my boys in my scrapbooks. I would love a show on this subject. To scrap without journaling or stories. To scrap for the art of it when you are an empty nester that just loves whatever pictures you are able to get.

  • Hi, Melinda!

    I’ve had this topic on my list forEVER. I haven’t ever done it because I’m not sure what we would talk about — maybe my lack of imagination on this topic is because I am story-driven. When I do a topic I typically have a list of 5-8 sub-topics or questions on the main subject. When listeners suggest a subject AND provide me the questions/sub-topics I can very often do that topic right away. If not, then the topic usually ends up sitting on my list because I’m not sure where to take the conversation.
    SO — if you (or anyone else) wants to reply with some questions related to scrapbooking merely for the art of it, please do! What exactly do you want to know or hear from a scrapbooker who rocks the pages simply for the creative beauty and without worrying about the story?

  • Melinda

    I don’t really have specific questions. I was really thinking more along the lines of guests that scrap for the picture more than the story. This can even go for heritage pictures inherited with no stories but you want to scrap them for prosperity. I happen to have this dilemma as well. I just feel for the most part stories and children living at home have a front seat to most scrap booking conversations even though that can not be the majority of scrappers out there. Thanks for acknowledging my comment Noell even though I can’t elaborate on the subject, I’m hoping someone else can.

  • Nicole Flath

    Am I crazy or I do hear the bell of a cat toy on occasion in the recording? LOL Maybe because I hear it all day long at home, I’m starting to think I hear it other places!

  • I listened to a bunch of old Paperclipping Roundtables on organization (including episode #6) and I purged 12 inches of 12×12 scrapbook paper from my “scrapbook stash” this weekend!

    Sort of on the topic of Shimelle’s idea to scrapbook in public: I put a bin of my old scrapbook paper in our office breakroom and explained it to my craftiest office workmate, Kelly, who is a knitter but is a craft enthusiast – that she could pick through it and take whatever she wanted and to let everyone else at the office know they could too. She is now explaining it to the others and I had to laugh when I heard her excitedly explain:

    “It’s NOT just paper, it’s SCRAPBOOKING paper!”

    Kelly is now trying to explain to the others how this paper is magical and beautiful and you can send your Dad a Father’s Day Card with it or bond with your kids over art projects. “OH! Look there’s glitter!”

    It is seriously funny and heart warming to listen to them going through the paper – I’m in another room but I can hear them clearly. I’m glad I bought all that stuff in. I’m going to bring whatever is left to my kids’ school.

    Clearly I don’t share my hobby enough with my real life people! I was so surprised when one employee who has been here a year, and who I like a lot so I talk to her every day; said she didn’t even know what scrapbooking was – and I have a scrapbooking room at the office! My office scrapbook room is in a back room that I don’t think she’s been in; but I just showed her what a scrapbook was! Also, she wants to frame the scrapbook paper and put it on her wall. I googled myself to show her what a scrapbook page was; I guess I should share my hobby a little more with my real life people.

    Maybe – to keep the scrapbook industry going – instead of just giving older papers to charity (which is a good idea too); we should share our old supplies with our real life friends, neighbors, co-workers etc. Patterned paper is the gateway drug – we’ll see if she starts scrapbooking!

  • I went to Eckerd College and while I wasn’t a marine science major, I had friends that were and one of the independent study classes was the professor would give the student a dead fish and for the rest of the semester the student had to write a paper a week about the same dead fish.

    I think we can do the same sort of thing with story telling about photos that we didn’t take – be they from long distant relatives on social media or dead people in our family tree. I do a lot of heritage scrapbooking and I find all sorts of things to write about – ie. the basics, stories that I know about them, information I get from the census, when they lived in relation to world events, how they are related to me, etc.

    I have also done a few pages about my nephew who lives in another state – I copy his photos and print them and I’ve made pages. Although I will say, since that time he has blocked all adults from his facebook page – but that’s another story – thankfully, I don’t think resulting from my scrapbooking.

    I think you could probably just copy and print photos of your adult children and the journaling could be sort of a letter to them, or a “I remember when I was your age or experiencing what you are now” or even he’re junior, all grown up and living far away, I wish I knew more about his day to day life.

    Also, for less story-centered but still very meaningful scrapbook pages, check out scrapbooker Coree Jones – she’s a Garden Girl at Two Peas (and does one of the video series – I think 213 in 2013) and a frequent teacher at Masterful Scrapbook Design. Her layouts are very photo-centric.

  • What a fun story!!! Thanks for sharing, Katie! How cool they were so interested the paper!!

  • Katie’s reply to you brings up a question I have for you — is it really that you have absolutely no stories for your photos, or is it that you aren’t interested in the story? In addition to scrapbooking about your children who are out of the house, do you also scrapbook about yourself, your friends, your husband? In those cases do you tell a story? Not all scrapbookers care about having a story, or want journaling messing up the artful pages.

  • Remember that old saying “there is no free lunch”?

    I think if you want free product videos, then you pay via buying product. And you probably end up in a larger group and more consumption oriented community.

    I think if you want idea, design, story centered videos, then you pay via buying online classes. Listen to Paperclipping #149 again – lots of ideas for online scrapbook videos & classes – even some free ones – which admittedly are like samples for the paid for classes – but at least you can figure out what you want / like before you buy. And you probably end up in a smaller group and more idea centered community.

    You get what you pay for and paying for scrapbook inspiration is often money well spent – and the benefit of spending your scrapbook money on classes instead of product is that you’ll have less stuff / scrapbook stash to organize & more ideas of what to do with the stuff you already have. So you’ll probably end up spending more time scrapbooking and less time organizing stuff or endlessly surfing You Tube for quality scrapbooking videos.

    All that said, I do love many of the Two Peas videos (especially Glitter Girl, Lisa Dickinson, Coree Jones, and Jill Sprott) – and there are great ideas in them too.

  • A male client of my husband’s kept a detailed scrapbook of the Hindenburg and actually gave it to my husband as a gift. I think that back in those days it was probably a thing to keep scrapbooks about world events / news.

  • P.S. I think I have two new scrapbookers! Kelly found a Minnie Mouse paper that goes with her daugther’s Halloween costume & Tanika said “I never even knew scrapbooking paper existed and now I can’t stop thinking about it!” I posted some photos on my instagram feed with the #paperclippingroundtable if you want to see.

  • Marie-Pierre Capistran

    So funny!!! lol I also just listened to PRT #6 and purged about 5 inches of paper. One of my scrapbooking “real life friend” as you call them (THAT word is HILARIOUS!!) came to my house last week and went through those 5 inches, took some papers and put the rest of the pile in my kids’ desk. When my little one (3 years old) discovered that paper this morning she came to me with some sheets and said: “What is it doing in my desk? That is scrapbooking paper. It is dangerous!” Probably she gets the idea better than I knew she did that this paper (mine) is untouchable!! lol

  • Gwynn Asbury

    I thought I would chime in here. I do both. I have albums in which I tell the story and it is chornological. HOwever, there are photos that speak to me on an intimate level about my perception of the world or things that stick out to me that have nothing to do with the life story. When this happens, I print a few extra of that photo and then I use them on other layouts that are more artistic, venturous, and these are put into a separate set of albums. Generally these artistic pages have longer titles or very brief journaling and are packed with just creative flow.

  • Thank you, Gwynn. So maybe you can help with the episode. Are you interested in an episode abt scrapbooking purely for the creative and artistic expression of it? What would you want me to ask our guests?

  • Ann Low

    I found Karen’s idea of two 6×12 pages, one for a layout and the other for journaling a very intriguing and fun approach! However, layouts sliding about in a page protector would indeed give me hives. Jennifer suggested attaching the two smaller pages to a 12×12 piece of cardstock. Another option I thought of is sewing down the middle of the 12×12 page protector.

    I’m a huge Paperclipping fan. I typically listen to the episodes 2-3 times. Thanks, and keep up the good work!

  • Gwynn Asbury

    You know, I would LOVE to hear an episode about this subject for the soul selfish reason that I would like some understanding of my own on how they got from the story to the art. I personally love the look of artful scrapbooking and always find myself saying to myself, but what about the story? How are they going to remember why they created such an artful page? When I think of artistic scrapbooking my mind goes immediately to Art Journaling and Mixed Media Scrapbooking. Some things I would love to hear them talk about:

    1. What is their advice would to people starting out in mixed media/artistic scrapbooking
    2. Do they also do “traditional” scrapbooking.

    3. Do they use art journals? What goes in their art journals? Do their pages of art journaling ever get more formalized into scrapbook pages?
    4. Is artful scrapbooking really realistic unless you are part of the scrapping industry?
    5. I was listening to an earlier episode in which Ali was talking about “the story” and I am wondering, how do you tell the story when the story book changes?

    I could clearly go on about this….. I think I’ll stop with that.

  • This is really helpful. I feel like I could actually do something with this! If you have more questions — PLEASE feel free to add them!
    I’m just not clear on what you mean in #5 — “when the story book changes.” Can you help me understand this one? Thanks!
    Also — if you or anyone wants to recommend guests, I am open! :)

  • Melinda

    I do journal with our holiday pictures or everyday pictures. But when it comes to heritage with now stories to go with the pictures or my boys. I feel there is also a difference in my perception of journalling and story telling. I see Shimelle’s (take a drink) pages and she tells stories. Therefore your last couple episodes I was thinking this is what you were talking about. I have gotten some great advice so far here but still would like to hear an episode on the art of scrap booking rather than the story. Thanks everyone for your input on this. I should also mention that when the boys send me pictures to scrap they don’t give details. They are after all young men in their early 20’s. LOL.

  • Gwynn Asbury

    When I say the story book changes, I am really talking about what happens when you have a need to reinvent or change focus? For example, one “story book” may be your life as a mother with children at home. That “story book” may end when say your last child moves out and is on their own – resulting in the start of a new story. i hope that makes more sense, if not I probably carried the idea of “the story” a little too far.

  • Gwynn Asbury

    My husband was in the military for almost 10 years – there are a lot of pictures from that time and before I knew him….. I scrap them eventhough I don’t know the story behind them. AND I will just put them in chronological order of our lives together. Same with this deployment photos – some of the stories he doesn’t want to share and I have the photos still…… So out of curiosity Melinda – are you asking about how to get inspiration and create the art without the inspiration from the story?

  • Yes, it does make sense! Thank you for clarifying!!

  • Great question!

  • LOL — I did not notice any cat toy bell, but maybe I was too busy hosting to notice???

  • vintageplaid

    I remember reading a book about the Dionne quintuplets years ago. They were the first recorded surviving quintuplets and this would have been before all the drugs or other ways of having significant numbers of multiples. They were treated kind of the way famous royals are treated now…journalists on their doorstep hounding them, requests for selling their stories, photos…they were bombarded and overwhelmed. I think the government stepped in and the quints had a separate house from the rest of their family but I think they were pretty much treated like animals in a zoo (cared for, but considered “property” because their situation was so unique). I don’t remember the details of the book, but from what I do recall it was awful and tragic.

  • vintageplaid

    Here’s a sad story. I was 12 when President Kennedy was assassinated and I collected all the newspaper clippings I could find and a commemorative book and even wrote an essay in school about it.. About 25 years ago I threw it all away!!!! It was such a huge event in my life and of course everyone’s so I deeply regret that moment of clearing my drawers out. I could do a lot with that now…

  • Melinda

    Hi Gwynn, thanks for replying. My one son I am talking about is in the military as well and most pictures of him are of that subject. No stories behind the pictures. I scrap all my pictures, I do not have a problem with scrapping for the art. I started this thread as I feel lately the podcasts have been geared with guests with children at home and the topics have been story driven with pictures of said children. I would just like to hear from others in my age group or situation. No offence to Noell or the program, I do get lots out of it but there are others out there that scrap that do not have small children or stories for their pictures and I just was hoping for some discussions based on that. Again, I have become a fan of the roundtable and will continue to listen.

  • HelenH

    Here’s the way I see the topic. We get a photo of someone, we want to scrap it. That’s the motivation. The person isn’t in our daily lives and we have piles of other stories and projects. How can I take visual inspiration from this picture and scrap it?

    But the context is scrapping young adult children. Like Gwynn said, it’s moving into a new way of scrapbooking a family. We need ideas, whether it’s about how to create new stories, or how to glean ideas from facebook clues and popular culture. Maybe just try some new techniques or products.

    P.S. scrapping heritage photos should be a separate topic.

  • Jennifer G.

    Is there no PRT the week of Halloween? Maybe I missed the announcement.

  • Kathleen Kibblehouse

    Woo hoo! I’m officially a Non-Schmo – but I prefer to think of myself as a true “Insider”. I am so excited about my weekend ahead – marathon Paperclipping videos and scrapbooking inspiration! Roundtable is helping to make my scrapbooking what I had always envisioned it to be. This source is the one to beat and I can’t help but measure all my others against it! No pressure guys! I had been reluctant to sign up because there’s just so much free stuff out there, but have come to really appreciate the value of a quality production. I’m totally worth it and so is this membership with its high performance value warm community! Thanks Izzy and Noell for following your dream and thus helping me flourish within my passion for scrapping my story.

  • Hey, Melinda — story is actually a big part of the Roundtable in general from the very first episode. And we have guests on all the time who don’t even have children, but we still focus on story with them. It’s not just the last couple episodes.
    But I’ve always wanted to do an episode with guests who don’t worry about the story and who do it for the art of it. I just haven’t known how to lead the discussion on that topic (which you’ll understand, since you couldn’t give me any ideas either). But I think I’ve got it covered now.

  • So I think you’re both also specifically wanting empty nesters on the show. I’ve always intended on having empty nesters, but haven’t had much luck finding any. We’ve got one suggestion here in this thread, though I’m not sure how easy it will be to get her on. I can try. Does anyone know anyone else?

  • There is. We couldn’t record until yesterday and Skype was giving us some issues that Izzy needs to spend a bunch of time cleaning up.

  • Orangeskies

    I’m not sure this comment was on Episode 180, but it is definitely classic Karen G. I filed it when she said it and it came to me loud and clear today, almost as if Karen was standing there herself saying it. I was watching some YouTube process type videos, and was feeling very discouraged about even attempting a layout, thinking that the final product would probably just end up evoking eyerolls from my kids in twenty years. And then………I could hear Karen saying, “I don’t do it for them, I do it for me!”
    And now the wind is back in my sails. Heading up to my craftroom to poke around :) Thanks Karen, Noell, Izzy et al…

  • Awesome!

  • Yes – you’re an insider! :) thanks so much for your membership! I LOVED reading this! I hope you’re having an awesome scrapbooking weekend. Thx do much for the comment!!

  • Gwynn Asbury

    I have created one layout and am working on another in which I extended the idea for a 12×12 double page layout – I have some pretty lengthy stories that have needed telling….. I will post a link to the finished products when I get them photographed. Seriously, bursting with creativeness here……..

  • Awesome, Gwynn!

  • Julie H

    i totally understand what you are saying, Melinda. I read all the replys to your original post before commenting. I listen to the Roundtable all the time and love it! But I too tend to scrapbook for the artistic fulfillment it gives me. My children are grown and i started scrapbooking when i did about a 40 pg “This is Your Life” book for my son’s high school graduation – he is now 33. Then i did one for my daughter who is now 30. Now i am scrapping my beautiful little grandchildren. I think it was Jennifer who said she would never scrap a photo just because it was beautiful if it didn’t have a story. I gasped! That is the photo i would reach for first… i want to remember just how beautiful these little children are just because they ARE. And not just the children – i scrapped a beautiful page of my son and daughter-in-law while she was pregnant walking the beach on a last vacation before the baby… a beautiful sunset photo of them together with her dress blowing in the wind, his hands wrapped around her from the back on her much pregnant belly- no words needed. I could go on and on but you don’t want to hear about my photos… the point is that no, i don’t art journal, yes, i at times do a little mixed media, but i primarily do scrapbooking just as the show talks about week after week, but i rarely journal on my pages(i know – gasp! i broke what seems to be the major rule of scrapbooking.) I DO understand those who choose to do it that way, even admire their dedication to it. But i think there are probably more of us who use scrapbooking for an artistic expression than is realized because there is a bit of a stigma that we are doing it ‘wrong’. Melinda, i’d love to hear what your pages are like. Thanks for letting me share!