PDS 009 – A Little Bit of Chicken and Egg

How have paper scrapping and digi scrapping influenced each other?

That’s the subject of this week’s Paperclipping Digi Show!

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Carol — fantasy vs reality

I so much enjoy your discussions as I have not found any scrappers living around me. Some of us cut out ex-husbands from milestone pictures -like graduation because there are other friends in the picture that you need to keep that picture for, (and also we cut out messy kitchens, too) for reasons of 'moving on' and to not trigger bad memories, or for pride (neater backgrounds than the reality). So maybe these are fantasy layouts :) — the way I wish my kitchen looked. (Also this removes distractions from backgrounds so you focus on the main reason of the photo),The Vintage Hollywood look is a new one that I think is Fantasy, as well as the 'Rock Star' embellishments and the '50's cooking and vacuuming in dress with high heels and pearl necklaces. Actually the cooking embellishments, for me, would be Fantasy, too, as my husband does all the cooking. Love learning about the features in the various software as I will be buying photo editing software in the future. (I currently use Microsoft Picture It as I have for the past 10 years).
http://www.tortagialla.com Linda Tieu

About Photoshop or any program, I agree that learning as you go is just the natural way. That's how we learn to do anything, right? As Izzy mentioned, after a while you might learn better ways or faster ways…but then again I still do things “my way” simply because it comes automatically – I'm so used to certain processes. No need to change your ways if it works, I think :)
http://www.tortagialla.com Linda Tieu

There was talk about making your digital pages look “real” in this episode and also digital designers replicating the paper scrapping materials. I started thinking about how paper scrapping came first, so digital started as a alternative – literally duplicating what you would do with traditional paper scrapping. I personally don't digiscrap to duplicate what I would create with paper, it's really a different way to scrap. With a new tool you have different capabilities and different options for whatever project you are working on. Just wanted to bring that up and wondering what folks are thinking.
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teri

Collage using a grid design was mentioned in the discussion. (I think it was this one.) Is there a tutorial somewhere for a PSE newbie?
http://www.paperclipping.com Noell

That's exactly how it is for me, too, Linda. I think that is because I still
love paper scrapbooking. Paper is mainly what I want to do, but there are
looks I can only get digitally, so that's when I turn to digital techniques.
http://www.paperclipping.com Noell

Yes, Teri, I have a video tutorial on how to do make a grid collage in
Elements, along with how to make a rounded-corner frame to put on top of it.
Here is the preview blog post page:

http://www.paperclipping.com/2009/06/15/papercl…

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I would like to do another one in the future using Elements where I'll not
only show how to make the grid collage, but also add lines between the
photos.
Barbara

Great episode again! And, thanks, Steph, for the pick of the week; I just signed up for the Paperclipping newsletter. I didn't even notice the sign-up box before… (insert head-slap here; duh..) No reflection on you, Noell or Izzy!
thanks again,
Barbara
Lynn in FL (wearefamilyw)

I can only speak from my experience with PSE, but I couldn't imagine not having the bin at the bottom. Just thinking about it not being there seems like it would make my digi-scrapping experience a little more difficult. And I agree that the one thing I would change about PSE if I could would be to have the ability to type on a text path. This was another great and thought provoking episode guys….. thank you!
teri

Thanks, Noell. I am a member, but since I just recently started poking around PSE, I probably didn't take notice when I went through the archives. I'll check it out and be looking forward to the collage with lines tutorial. Thanks for all the great info and entertainment.
DailyDigiSteph

Love this perspecitve! It made me laugh right out loud! :) THANKS!
DailyDigiSteph

I don't think digital scrapbooking in the early days was necessarily trying to duplicate the exact look of digital layouts. I remember seeing many, many layouts in the galleries that had a very graphic, magazine layout style to them. These were the kinds of tutorials I found for digital scrapbooking in 2004 (and there weren't too many tutorials at the time). The first layout I did in PSP with a tutorial was using a photo as the background, making it more transparent, and adding some journaling. It wasn't until several months later that I noticed people were making papers and supplies that looked like paper scrapbooking supplies.

I have learned over the past few months that it is maybe a little odd to primarily paper scrapbookers that one would want to do something on the computer that they can do with paper, scissors, and glue. For most digital scrapbookers it is very logical that we WOULD want to do that. For whatever reason, we don't enjoy the paper, scissors, and glue. We like the LOOK, just not the traditional methods for getting there. Yes, there are many different things we can do with the software and I would venture to say that most digis do at least one or two things on each layout that would be much more difficult or impossible with traditional paper methods (my favorite title technique right now is one that comes to mind). It can still be paper looking, but have techniques used that would be difficult in paper alone.

It's all part of that being authentic and doing what you enjoy!
DailyDigiSteph

It was very difficult to not have that image bin after moving into PSCS! :( Yes, I think most PSE users would like text on path! :) THANKS for the comments!!
http://www.paperclipping.com Noell

Yeah, the idea that digi is just the method a lot of digi scrappers prefer is something I've only recently understood as a result of our conversations. You want the traditional look, just not the traditional method.
Ari macias

I started to do digital out of necessity just because I have run out of space. There is just no way to store my albums and still enjoy them without looking like i need to be on one of those hoarder shows:) the fact that my digi pages look like my paper pages is pretty much an after effect. The need to learn something totally new was a big factor too. My brain is just not like techie (though I am a big sci fi geek) so learning even the basics of PSE was a process. I still do both traditional and digital, but combining them into hybrid is not something that i want do….go figure right?
So as far as the chicken or the egg…it's all a question of taste, no?
dreamscrapper

I definitely agree about the image bin . . . because I teach digital scrapbooking using PE, I get used to it there but when I scrap myself, I use PS CS4 and I really wish it was there!
Mande

Very interesting topic again. It is fun to look back on the trends and see how we go to where we are now. I will say this: in my opinion, paper scrappers who do not keep up with internet galleries or web sites are about 5 (maybe more!) years behind. They are still cutting up their photos, making circle and oval shapes, matting them, maybe even using stickers. Some are venturing into the more Cathy Zielske look (not cutting photos, placing them on the page while actually keeping some design techniques in mind, etc. – their process is slow, slow, slow. I find many people are really scared of trying out new techniques and have to be coached in every detail.

Find your own style is also interesting topic. I have been taking online classes for about 1 1/2 years now, and in each class, I am obviously copying the style of the teacher just to complete all the class assignments. I find that I am most comfortable with Cathy Z's style, but I also enjoy the style that I had been honing for a few years before starting the online classes. This “style” includes the whole process of choosing photos, planning my lay outs beforehand, etc. I may return to this style as I find that I get more done and feel satisfied at the end. A few lay outs that I did last summer often come to mind as my favorites “ever” and I seem to have gotten away from that lately. Oh, and I definitely want to do this same style purely digital now that I know how to use PSE. That will be the main change I guess.
http://www.paperclipping.com Noell

I definitely find that I move into and away from certain looks. Once in a
while I look back and see some looks that I really loved that I'd forgotten
about. Nice to be able to return to something that really worked for you
after you've been adventuring into other territories!
sramsey

WOW! I love your show. I am new to digital scrapbooking and you are opening a whole new world. Thank you for all the information in a fun format.
DailyDigiSteph

Exactly! :) We sure I sure am learning a lot about the paper perspective from you, Noell…it's very interesting!
http://paperpapereverywhere.blogspot.com/ Cynthia H

I really enjoyed this episode, especially the comment that was made about not having to try a style just because we enjoy looking at it. I started nodding vigorously at this point, because I really enjoy looking at other styles and sometimes feel like I should try them out, but ultimately never do. Not trying it for myself does not take away my enjoyment of how other people do it. In fact, I think if I did try it myself, I probably wouldn't like it anymore because it wasn't “me”.
Laura b

I love love love your show. I just finally took the leap into digital scrapbooking because of listening to the Paperclipping Roundtable. I have downloading very few elements and completed only a few layouts when the Digital Roundtable podcasts started. I was so happy to learn about organizing before I got in too deep. Anyway, I am still listening from the beginning and not up to date yet but I have a few suggestions/questions. No sure if you have answered these yet.
1. TOPIC: Where do a lot of you post your layouts in galleries. When I do post, do I always have to list the designer name and kit name for pieces I use (ie, when I bring a dish to a potluck dinner, I don’t include a list of all ingredients and their brand names). How about if you post in answer to a challenge that is not kit specific (ie, inspiration from an ad). If I purchase the kit, do I have to keep patting the designer on the back, so to speak (no disrespect intended).
2. TOOL/SOFTWARE HELP: I have PSE8 and PS7. I will be getting CS5 suite for xmas. Is there a way to manager and view my brushes. I now I don’t want to load them all in the brushes folder and bog the program down when I open and use it. I think I have duplicates too? Is there a way to view them in a catalog and load them from there? How does everyone manager their brushes? (and textures/patterns too).
3. PICKS OF THE WEEK: Izzy I have to say (sheepishly) that I sometimes find your picks somewhat distracting from the digital scrapbook theme of the podcast. But that is not to say that sometimes I come away with a tidbit of information. I have some real concerns over some of the aps/software I have been hearing about. Specifically, the ones that grab your facebook info and dump it into your blog, etc. If I post to my facebook which I limit my privacy to specific friends, does that mean when you pull your facebook (if you were one of my specific friends) my post would also be imported to your blog and exposed to your readers without my permission or knowledge?
Ndumot01

I am catching up on back episodes and found the style discussion at the end interesting. The one factor that has influenced my personal scrapping is time. I love doing the super embellished pages, but with two little ones I have so many significant single photos and so little time that a Project Life format makes the most sense for a majority of what I am recording. I am actually looking into digi just because of the time/mess factor. I can digi around the kids but I would never let them near the paper supplies. Thanks for the show and I’ll be listening.
Terri Hurbis

I have been listening now off and on for a few months. But yesterday, I had to travel 8 hours for work. I COULD NOT stop listening! I am overwhelmed by how much great information you present. Thank you SO much for this. I love it so, so much.

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